tom cruise and katy

[Easties]

well he has asked her to be silent whilst giving birth do you think she will do it ?




EXCLUSIVE

Tom's £150k housepital



Labour supporter ... Tom








TOM Cruise has splashed out £150,000 on a mini hospital in his mansion — for Katie Holmes to have their baby.

The Hollywood star has also hired three medics from his Scientology cult to care for his fiancée who is having a silent birth.

The delivery suite in his Beverly Hills mansion has been kitted out with a FETAL MONITOR, ULTRASOUND machine, INTRAVENOUS PUMP. DELIVERY KIT and INFANT WARMER SYSTEM to monitor the tot — due any day. A midwife, nurse and obstetrics expert are on stand-by.



Holmes birth ... pregnant Katie



Katie, 27, pictured on a shopping trip yesterday, has agreed to stay quiet and not take painkillers during labour — in line with Scientology beliefs.

Founder L Ron Hubbard claimed babies were traumatised by loud sounds at birth.

A source said: “Tom thinks his delivery room is the best way of providing a quiet environment. But if there are complications, she will be taken to hospital.”

Tom, 43, has bought a dummy and an iPod to help Katie stay mum.
Meanwhile, he’s been boasting in the May edition of GQ mag how “spectacular” their sex life is.

[Tinkabell]

OMG does he really think she is not going to make any noise during labour.

[Ravenfire]

Have you seen the size of her tummy...thats one big baby!

[Easties]

well if she keeps quiet i will eat my hat i dont think she is having any pain relief either :smiley-fa

[Tess]

what a load of old tosh...if she keeps quiet i'll give them the £150,000 myself..poor woman..what happens if she does make noise then?..will the baby have to have councelling or something...with all thier money i'd secretly pay to get some drugs without him knowing hehe...good luck to them both hope it all goes well...has anyone here given birth silently and without drugs?
if not....were your babies traumatised? thought not! xxx

[Easties]

i gave birth whilst dancing a jig and i didnt make a sound :D




Yeah right i wish :fryingpan:

[Tess]

yeah and i done it,..standing on my head..cooking the dinner...no noise or painkillers...baby came just after i served up....god..i can see where this is going lol

[Easties]

yeah well i gave birth to alex whilst doing the weekly shop and i still managed to finish the shopping and get it home and put it away :hysterica

[Tess]

:hysterica :hysterica :hysterica
yeah..but did you make a noise?

[Easties]

:hysterica :hysterica :hysterica
yeah..but did you make a noise?
of course not im perfect like that you see :hysterica

[trai]

OMG does he really think she is not going to make any noise during labour.
I know he's off his rocker. This is barbaric in my opinion

[Mary Poppins]

If men had to give birth I am sure that the stupid scientology rule of not making a noise or having pain relief would be broken. :tcwozerek

[DRWX]

:fryingpan:

Tom Cruise is a freak, Scientologists are freaks. Anyone who wants to control their partner to that extent doesn't deserve to have one. Anyone who believes they should put their baby in a room on its own for a day and not feed change or look after it wants shooting!


Sorry thats probably too much and i'll get moaned at but he is only with her to prove a point n e way

Freak


Have Fun


DRWX

[DRWX]

Perhaps i have gone too far...... Then again perhaps not

[Ravenfire]

:fryingpan:

Tom Cruise is a freak, Scientologists are freaks. Anyone who wants to control their partner to that extent doesn't deserve to have one. Anyone who believes they should put their baby in a room on its own for a day and not feed change or look after it wants shooting!


Sorry thats probably too much and i'll get moaned at but he is only with her to prove a point n e way

Freak


Have Fun


DRWX

What point is he trying to prove? Cant say I agree with the Scientology ways either, certainly not leaving the child on its own for the first day... as if its birth isnt traumatic enough, mother screaming or not!

[DRWX]

i saw a mod had replied to my post and thought i was in the tacky but i guess not

[Shepherdess]

I thought she was supposed to be his partner NOT his slave to do as he says.
Some partnership, seems to be very one sided to me.

[Ravenfire]

At the end of the day she is an adult though, she can say no. She must love him a lot!

[emma_buzz]

god my babies will be mad in that case :hysterica
if i were her id strangle him with every contraction and see if he can keep silent aswell. mad people

[Girlzmum]

Pain relief free and silent???? No chance!!!! I screamed the place down(and I had a pain relief free delivery by accident!). It's a nice idea to have pain relief free labours but she needs to be open minded to this experience, what is she going to do when the pain gets too much - will she keep going (and hats off to her if she does) or will he respect her need for a bit of help?

I think thats an awful lot to expect from any woman but have to point out - who decided this was a good thing? A man, someone who'll never experience childbirth. And I also think that leaving a newborn for a day is cruel but again, thought up by a man who'll never understand the bond between a mother and her child.
I know that everyone is entitled to their beliefs and I respect that but I really think L Ron Hubbard had something against women (I think he was trying to 'punish' them for being able to have children)

[Ravenfire]

I do think its possible not to make much noise, I buried my face in pillow when I had dd3 at home and I had no pain relief, however, i would be very unsuprised if she is able to keep quiet throughout. Its all well and good her agreeing before hand to do this but when you are in labour the reality is very different to how you imagine it!

[Seren]

I didn't make too much noise with mine, I was very quiet, and didn't swear either, didn't get the chance to make much noise with dd as she came out so quick.midwife just about had her gloves on and just about made it to the room

silent labour, pmsl

[loopychick]

she's gonna keep quiet WITHOUT painkillers is she mad phew i'm knackerd thinking about that one i had gas and air and that was hard enough now if she does it then my hat comes off to her

[Bfglloyd]

This is taken from a website about "Scientology"


What is a quiet or silent birth?

Having a quiet, gentle birth is all about providing the best possible environment for the birthing mother and her new baby.

It is labor and delivery done in a calm and loving environment and with no-spoken words by everyone attending as much as possible. Chatty doctors and nurses, shouts to “PUSH, PUSH” and loud or laughing remarks to “encourage” are the types of things that are meant to be avoided.

As L. Ron Hubbard, Founder of Dianetics and Scientology, wrote, “Everyone must learn to say nothing within the expectant mother’s hearing during labor and delivery.” And, “A woman who wants her child to have the best possible chance will find a doctor who will agree to keep quiet especially during the delivery, and who will insist upon silence being maintained in the hospital delivery room as far as it is humanly possible.”

Does this mean that a mother cannot scream or moan at all?

Of course they can make noises — the point of silent birth is NO WORDS. This is a principle of Dianetics and to fully understand why, read the book Dianetics the Modern Science of Mental Health, by L. Ron Hubbard. It is words that are the culprit. Outside of not speaking, the objective is generally to have as peaceful and relaxing an environment as possible for the mother and child. It is doubtful that any woman could give birth without making any noise at all.

Mothers naturally want to give their baby the best possible start in life and thus keep the birth as quiet as possible.

[bikemad]

:fryingpan:

Tom Cruise is a freak, Scientologists are freaks. Anyone who wants to control their partner to that extent doesn't deserve to have one. Anyone who believes they should put their baby in a room on its own for a day and not feed change or look after it wants shooting!


Sorry thats probably too much and i'll get moaned at but he is only with her to prove a point n e way

Freak


Have Fun


DRWX

I couldnt agree more.

I was gobsmaked when I read this-who the hell does he think he is id tell him were to go n make all the noise going!!!!!!

And how can that not be classed as child abuse leaveing a baby all day with no food changeing or owt!!!!!:smiley-fa

[kat]

Hmm ok id say let me tie him to a chair and do not so pleasant things to his "private place" and he cannot cry out in pain if he can manage that then fair enough!!

But at the end of the day as Toni say's she can say no if she wants

[Tess]

sorry...:unsure: .can't see where its said they have to leave the child by itself all day:smiley-fa ....someone show me!?:confused:

[Netty]

I'm not sure, whassat, only referece I can find seems to be on anti-scientology sites, with no reference to a source.

I have seen something that refers to "Processing of a New Mother."

The article claimed that Katie was "nervous over the fact that the baby will be controlled by the sects handlers.

The process is described in the article as a "bizarre ritual that separates mother and child for three days allowing only minimal contact." Katie told Tom that she will reject this and told the star actor and Scientologist never to speak of this again."

This was dated February, I think.

I can understand the benefits of a "silent birth" if, as stated in a post above it refers to a calm environment for a natural birth - not having doctors etc shouting "push!" at you every 2 mins!!

[karri25]

My heart was broken the minute Tom joined scientology and now, after all this crap, I am officially breaking up with him!!
I think everyone's entitled to their own beleifs but those guys are wacked! And whoever thought of following a religion made up by some guy off the street who is, no less, than a science fiction writer? Hello....??????

I hope that Katie knows what she's getting into seing how she's never been in labor before. And if she changes her mind midway about the drugs will he let her have some????

[Netty]

Have you heard that Tom says he wants to eat the placenta after the birth?(obviously!)

I've heard of mothers doing it (for the iron, maybe?) but never a father ....

[snowy1974]

He's going from bad to worse.

I wish he'd stop using this relationship and pregnancy as PR and keep it private. He'll be complaining enough when the baby is born and the papers are trying to get pictures.

[essexgirl]

i think it completely mad can you imagen if we left our baby on there own for a day we'd have social services on our door
think she in for a shock my dd dad ask the nurse if you could get addicted to gas and air i had so much :cheesy:

[Ravenfire]

Have you heard that Tom says he wants to eat the placenta after the birth?(obviously!)

I've heard of mothers doing it (for the iron, maybe?) but never a father ....

Ohhh yuck, no I never saw that! It does make you wonder how much the media make up though!

[trai]

I've just read on teletext they've had a daughter 7lb 7 oz called Suri.

[stokey]

it'll be interesting to find out whether she kept quiet or not :smiley-fa


apparently suri means rose or princess, quite nice i suppose.

[Tess]

I've just read on teletext they've had a daughter 7lb 7 oz called Suri.

brilliant..not sure about the name though..but each to their own i suppose...

[snowy1974]

Tom won't be needing any lunch today then.

I see she had the baby in hospital as well after it was predicted that she was going to have it at home.

Good luck to them.

[Tess]

Tom won't be needing any lunch today then.

I see she had the baby in hospital as well after it was predicted that she was going to have it at home.

Good luck to them.

lol....yes..placenta sandwich anyone?
really..she had it in hosp?..bet someone told her to push!

[Girlzmum]

think she in for a shock my dd dad ask the nurse if you could get addicted to gas and air i had so much :cheesy:

:hysterica They told me I was overdosing on it and disconnected the tube that pumped the gas to my mouth as I wouldn't take the mouthpiece out!!!!

Congratulations to them both on Suri's birth - I did hear him on the radio y'day saying that if she needed medication he wouldn't stop her so hopefully she was able to get any help she wanted.

[Sarah]

Who would follow a belief system that was invented by a bloke who writes science fiction novels :hysterica

[Easties]

congratulations tot hem both on the birth of their daughter but as for the placenta thing EEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW I read in a magazine once that this couple bought hers home and froze it ready to eat it :fryingpan:

[Netty]

The BBC news site says:

Actress Katie Holmes, who is engaged to film star Tom Cruise, has given birth to the couple's first child.

Holmes gave birth to a baby girl, Suri, on Tuesday in Los Angeles. Both mother and baby were "doing well", a spokesman said in a statement.

The baby is the first for Holmes, 27, while Cruise has two adopted children from his marriage to Nicole Kidman.

The couple, who have been engaged since June 2005, plan to marry in late summer or early autumn, according to Cruise.

Spokesman Paul Bloch said in a statement that the couple "joyously welcomed" the arrival of their daughter.

The baby's name, Suri, came from Hebrew, meaning "princess" or in Persian, meaning "red rose", the statement said.

The baby weighed 3.4 kg (7lb 7 oz) and measured 50.8 cm (20 inches), Mr Bloch said.

No details were given about the birth itself, which had been the subject of much speculation.

Guess we will have to wait and see about the "silent birth" and "placenta" issues, then!

[WriterMum]

Apparently, she gave birth in the same hospital (on the same day) as Brooke Shields. Pretty ironic, if you ask me. :)

I wonder whose decision it was for her to go to the hospital. Also, from what I've read, she had an epidural. So much for the drug-free, silent birth. I'm just glad that she stuck up for herself (I'm guessing) and insisted on an epidural, even though those around her didn't want her to have one.

[lisa1980]

congratulations tot hem both on the birth of their daughter but as for the placenta thing EEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW I read in a magazine once that this couple bought hers home and froze it ready to eat it :fryingpan:

i watched a documentary once where a couple did :fryingpan:

husband wasnt keen but the wife was up for it some mad people about :fryingpan: :fryingpan:

[Sarah]

I was telling Katherine last night about people eating placenta. She said that's the kind of thing that animals do! She's right! Surely that's what separates us from animals? Someone also said that animals also eat their offspring if they are stillborn!

[lisa1980]

I was telling Katherine last night about people eating placenta. She said that's the kind of thing that animals do! She's right! Surely that's what separates us from animals? Someone also said that animals also eat their offspring if they are stillborn!

you wouldnt catch me doing it, why would you want to eat something that has been inside you? revolting

[Sarah]

Vile!

[Jen]

you wouldnt catch me doing it, why would you want to eat something that has been inside you? revolting

lovely with a few chopped onions and a clove of garlic......I'M JOKING!!!