View Full Version : Should Camilla be allowed to go to Diana's Memorial?
Trinity
27-08-2007, 09:38 AM
I can't help but feel sorry for Camilla - I think these people who have sent hate mail really need to take a long hard look at themselves, how pathetic and childish they are!
I have to admit when it all came out about Charles and Camilla, I was dead against Camilla and thought badly of her but you know what happened to them has happened to normal people around the globe. Let's face it Charles and Diana's marriage was hardly one of romance, there was a huge age difference for a start ( and yes,I know they work) but they were just so unsuited! Why Charles was not allowed to marry Camilla in the first place, I'll never know. It was obvious that he was very much in love with her.
It's horrible seeing The Sun headline "About time to Ma'am" making reference to the fact that the Queen has stepped in to say that Camilla should not go. Prince William and Prince Harry invited her to go and they want her to go, what right does the public have to say that she can't? I agree that the media would have made a huge fuss about her being there and it would have taken away from the event itself but then that's the media to blame, they don't have to comment on Camilla being there do they?
So there you have it, a handful of unforgiving, bitter and nasty people put pen to paper and write hateful things, and poor Camilla is shut out. Well, I hope they are proud of themselves!
Netty
27-08-2007, 09:46 AM
If William and Harry want her there, that's good enough for me ...
angel1980
27-08-2007, 09:48 AM
If William and Harry want her there, that's good enough for me ...
Snap. :happy72:
Amandax
27-08-2007, 09:53 AM
Im sorry but i disagree. I feel Charles and Camilla made Diana's live hell for a time. Do i feel she should be BANNED from going then no but do i think she should be respectful and stay away then YES. However at the end of the day I feel the boys have stood high and I admire them for rising above it all.
Ravenfire
27-08-2007, 10:02 AM
I think it was great that Harry and William invited her - its no point them being bitter towards her and it shows they have accepted her, however, I dont think its appropriate for her to go and I think she made the right decision.
This service is obviously largely about William and Harry but also for Dianas family as well and I think that has to be taken into consideration.
smirnoff
27-08-2007, 10:06 AM
i know the boys invited her, but having met her and having met diana there is no comparison. I think that diana would have wanted charles and the boys to be happy, BUT i dont think that its right that she attends the service, after all would you take your new partner/husband/wife to one of your deceased husband/wife if their family was going to be present??? I dont think i would out of respect for the family...
Seren
27-08-2007, 10:19 AM
i think we will never know the full story, I'm not a fan of Camilla in so far as she had an affair with a married man with young children which imo was pre-meditated etc. But that could have happened to anyone.
I do think it is rather tacky if she goes tho
ruthie
27-08-2007, 10:37 AM
No I definatly don't think she should go, her relationship with Prince Charles led to the breakup of the marriage and to Diana's unhappiness and into the life she led afterwards which untimatley ended in the crash. Charles should not have been such a wimp and stood up for himself and not agreed to mislead a innocent girl into a loveless marriage just so that could impregnate with his heirs whilst being in love with another women.
Emsickle
27-08-2007, 02:37 PM
I think she is making the right decision by not going. I would personally find it a bit of an insult tbh if she did go - the service is about Diana, her son's, her family and that does not include Camilla. I think it was lovely of the boys to make the gesture and invite her, but it would have been insulting Diana's memory for her to actually attend.
Girlzmum
27-08-2007, 03:21 PM
I can only say that if I thought that my husband was in love with another woman and having an affair with her throughout my marriage then there is no way I would want her at my memorial service! I'm not just saying this because it's royalty but she was no friend to Diana during her life and it seems very hypocritical for her to attend a memorial service for Diana.
Trinity
27-08-2007, 05:33 PM
You see I think the media have made Camilla into being this ogre and I don't think she is like that at all, Diana was no innocent by all accounts and I do think that at the begining Charles and Diana were happy but it was Diana who was unhappy with the Royal life and subsequently this caused the marriage to fail. Charles went to Camilla for guidance (not his best move!!) and then the affair started up. I am sure this has happened to many people, unhappy in a marriage, speak to a friend and things go a stage further, then affair starts, marriage ends and you start a new life with the person you confided in - we all know someone that this has happened to and I bet they are not vilified in the way Charles and Camilla have been. I am not condoning that what they done was right but we don't know the full story.
I personally don't see anything wrong with her going, the boys wanted her to go and they have accepted her so why can't the public, but I can accept reasons why she shouldn't be there. I just think it is unfair for her to be hounded the way she has.
Charles was not the only one who had an affair, Diana was also involved with James Hewitt at the same time............
*debbie*
27-08-2007, 07:44 PM
Im sorry but i disagree. I feel Charles and Camilla made Diana's live hell for a time. Do i feel she should be BANNED from going then no but do i think she should be respectful and stay away then YES. However at the end of the day I feel the boys have stood high and I admire them for rising above it all.
:happy72: :clapping: 20061010 **5**
ruthie
27-08-2007, 08:49 PM
Didn't Diana actually get involved with James Hewitt after Charles renewed his romance with Camilla. Camilla was the cause of the break up, as Charles relationship with her caused Diana so much pain and made her act the way she did I guess for attention. It was obvious he was not in love with her when asked on their engagement if they were in love and he said 'what ever that means'!!!!! Didn't Camilla advise Diana even before the marriage, i seem to remember seeing film of them together (I wonder if she was asked her opinion of her as a candidate for the royal bride, I mean wasn't her great grandmother or someone in her family the Prince of Wales's mistress years ago) Of course it is no different to many people with ordinary lives but I still feel as I sure many others do that Diana was used. It would be an absolute iinsult for Camilla to attend her memorial service as it would for any women who cause another so much hurt and pain to attend theirs.
winpeg
27-08-2007, 09:12 PM
I haven't voted, i'm infruriated by the whole thing, the boys did the fewstival thingieand asked never to bring the whole horrible episode up agian. So I feel for them as once again it's in the headlines, I know people loved here but geez, let the por women rest in peace.
Emsickle
27-08-2007, 09:23 PM
To me - neither party were innocent throughout the relationship, but at the end of the day, in my mind, to have "the other woman" attend a memorial service for that person, is just insulting - whether its Camilla or any other woman or man etc. It would be like my dad turning up to my mum's funeral with his wife, with whom he met whilst still married to my mum.
I don't care what the papers say or the media, I don't read or watch it, but to me, no matter who you are, having an affair is wrong and to then have that person attend your memorial service, which is celebrating your life - sorry, but a big no no and totally out of order.
Squishymama
28-08-2007, 01:21 PM
Well said Colette.
I think it would be wrong of her to go.
Sarah
28-08-2007, 01:24 PM
If William and Harry want her there, that's good enough for me ...
Totally agree. It's no-one else's business. I thought they just had a memorial concert for her anyway - is there something else now?
Can't say I thought much of the woman anyway!
smirnoff
28-08-2007, 01:35 PM
Can't say I thought much of the woman anyway!
can i ask why?
Trinity
28-08-2007, 04:31 PM
Yes, Diana may have been a pawn, She was basically breeding stock wasn't she, sorry to coarse but effectively that's what she was, but in the later years she did manipulate the system to her advantage.
It's mentioned in the papers about how a great mother she was and I have absolutely no doubt that she was, but credit it where it is due and I do think that Charles has been a fantastic father to the two boys. William & Harry are so laid back and come across as down to earth, and at every opportunity it's mentioned that Diana was a great influence and I just think that it is sad that Charles is never mentioned, and he has been hugely influential in their upbringing. There is that memorable photo where Diana rushes towards the boys on the Royal Yacht but the photo that wasn't captured is the one taken minutes later when the boys rushed to their father and gave him just a big a hug as their mother, but funny the media never showed that one..................
If I am totally honest I have to say that I am kind of with Sarah on this and I don't see why we have to have another memorial service, it just raises the whole subject again and I think she should be just left in peace. It's 10 years (which I do find hard to believe, as it seems like yesterday) but what happens in the next 10 years, will there be a 20 year memorial?
judithbl
28-08-2007, 05:06 PM
Would Diana want her there??? I doubt it.
colourart
28-08-2007, 05:22 PM
My young cousin who was just a teenager died over ten years ago, but there was no memorial service after ten years, as is probably the case of most people. If the family want a memorial service it should be quiet and private. I think all this is over the top. The whole debate is just created by a media circus as usual, Diana always did and always will sell papers and that's all the media are interested in. I feel sorry for Camilla, she is a scap goat for a story imho.
Sarah
28-08-2007, 05:27 PM
can i ask why?
Yes hun course you can! I thought she was manipulative and very clever and a bit of a slapper too to be honest. I've no doubt that she had a crappy life, Charles should never have married her because he didn't love her and I'd question whether she really loved him too. She was very clever at manipulating situations that the press would love - like sitting 'alone' in front of the Taj Mahal and all that dropping her eyes and pretending to be shy.
She was a great ambassador for our country and did lots of good work - I don't take that away from her.
But I do think since her death she's been built up to be someone who she really wasn't.
Sarah x
*debbie*
29-08-2007, 01:18 PM
I dont think we will ever know the real her...only what people say for and against her. I only go off what i saw her do as an ambassador and humanitarian
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smirnoff
29-08-2007, 01:33 PM
Yes hun course you can! I thought she was manipulative and very clever and a bit of a slapper too to be honest. I've no doubt that she had a crappy life, Charles should never have married her because he didn't love her and I'd question whether she really loved him too. She was very clever at manipulating situations that the press would love - like sitting 'alone' in front of the Taj Mahal and all that dropping her eyes and pretending to be shy.
She was a great ambassador for our country and did lots of good work - I don't take that away from her.
But I do think since her death she's been built up to be someone who she really wasn't.
Sarah x
im going to try to reply to this. I was incredibly fortunate enough to have met her several times at different venues/events and the work that she did was amazing. She totally broke down the barriers that were being built up around the whole aids epidemic, she did fantastic charity work, she was truly the nicest and most approachable celebrity that i have met.
How can you say she was a slapper? she may have had an affair, and whilst i dont condone it i understand why to some extent...
I dont think that you can say that she was pretending to be shy, she was.. i think that to say that she has been built up to be something she wasnt isnt totally fair, i know that she wasnt perfect, but she touched peoples hearts - did you see kensington palace after she died? i did, i was living in london when the news of her death came through, everyone was shocked, it was as if people had lost something very special, which in my opinion they had.
I think that when anyone who is loved dies we all choose to remember the good things that they have done, and so it should be.
Im far from perfect and i dont judge, i dont think its my place. TBH I think she had such a hard time i dont think any of us have any right to critise her for anything that she may or may not have done. none of us will ever truly know what went on behind closed doors, but i do know that the Diana that i met repeatedly was such a wonderful and caring person she truly is someone i say im honoured to have met.
and for the record, no i am not a royalist..
Ravenfire
29-08-2007, 01:40 PM
Yes hun course you can! I thought she was manipulative and very clever and a bit of a slapper too to be honest. I've no doubt that she had a crappy life, Charles should never have married her because he didn't love her and I'd question whether she really loved him too. She was very clever at manipulating situations that the press would love - like sitting 'alone' in front of the Taj Mahal and all that dropping her eyes and pretending to be shy.
She was a great ambassador for our country and did lots of good work - I don't take that away from her.
But I do think since her death she's been built up to be someone who she really wasn't.
Sarah x
I think she learnt how to use the press - but tbh I think calling her a slapper is very OTT - what do you base that on?
At the end of the day she was a good mother to the boys and I would say that they are the most "down to earth" royals that we have had for a long time, which I personally think will be of great benefit to William when he becomes King.
Trinity
29-08-2007, 02:50 PM
I think she learnt how to use the press - but tbh I think calling her a slapper is very OTT - what do you base that on?
At the end of the day she was a good mother to the boys and I would say that they are the most "down to earth" royals that we have had for a long time, which I personally think will be of great benefit to William when he becomes King.
Yes, she was a good mother but Charles has also been a good father, and despite what people might think about Camilla I do think she has been a good influence on them. I think Princess Anne has got to be the most down to earth Royal though! One of the rudest was The Queen Mother.................
I think if you have to blame anyone, you really have to look at Diana's family - I mean it's not as if she was getting married off to any old Royal, she was marrying the future King and he was about 12 years her senior! They, in my opinion have a lot to answer for.
Ravenfire
29-08-2007, 03:15 PM
When all is said and done there were many faults on both sides - Diana was pretty naive I believe when she married Charles and she did believe he loved her and I believe she loved him. She did learn how to manipulate the press and often it was to the benefit of her many charities. I think Charles behaved very badly towards Diana in the early years.
I wouldnt say that Camilla has been a good influence on William and Harry but she has been a good support for them in the later years. It says a lot for them as well that they have been able to accept the person that caused their mother a lot of misery whilst she was alive!
As for Princess Anne - she is actually pretty rude herself and obviously gets that from her grandmother!
If the princes want her there then she should go
ruthie
29-08-2007, 08:26 PM
im going to try to reply to this. I was incredibly fortunate enough to have met her several times at different venues/events and the work that she did was amazing. She totally broke down the barriers that were being built up around the whole aids epidemic, she did fantastic charity work, she was truly the nicest and most approachable celebrity that i have met.
How can you say she was a slapper? she may have had an affair, and whilst i dont condone it i understand why to some extent...
I dont think that you can say that she was pretending to be shy, she was.. i think that to say that she has been built up to be something she wasnt isnt totally fair, i know that she wasnt perfect, but she touched peoples hearts - did you see kensington palace after she died? i did, i was living in london when the news of her death came through, everyone was shocked, it was as if people had lost something very special, which in my opinion they had.
I think that when anyone who is loved dies we all choose to remember the good things that they have done, and so it should be.
Im far from perfect and i dont judge, i dont think its my place. TBH I think she had such a hard time i dont think any of us have any right to critise her for anything that she may or may not have done. none of us will ever truly know what went on behind closed doors, but i do know that the Diana that i met repeatedly was such a wonderful and caring person she truly is someone i say im honoured to have met.
and for the record, no i am not a royalist..
I agree with you. My neice and I travelled to London for her funeral, we slept out over night we met some lovely people all who had a great admiration for Diana and such deep sadness at her loss. Although we had never met her some how she had touched our lives and we felt that she had been cruelly treated by the Royal family. It was a terrible thing to see her coffin go pass followed by the boys and awful to realise that such a beautiful vibrant good hearted young women was gone. I do think after this memorial she should be allowed to rest in peace. I for one will never forget her.
mumalone
30-08-2007, 04:10 PM
I think Camilla has made the right descison not to go because then the attention would be taken away from Diana and onto her.
Trinity
30-08-2007, 05:47 PM
Yes, I do think Diana touched many people's lives and I do think she done some causes a power of a good - it is ironic in a way that if she had never married Charles, she probably would never had been able to reach out and touch those lives, as she would never have got the exposure she had, so maybe is some cruel twist of fate way she was destined to marry Charles for that reason.
I do still think that the memorial should have been kept private as even with Camilla not going, it has raked the whole affair thing up again and even though it was wrong, both Charles and Camilla really should not be made to suffer for their rest of their lives because of it.
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